Where to draw the line?

30 09 2008

Rev. Dennis Meredith, a pastor in Atlanta, now supports the gay lifestyle.  He was once a pastor who condemned it.  Why did he suddenly change his mind?  What made this pastor ignore numerous passages of the Bible?  Well, his son “came out of the closet” at age 21 and told his father that it made him “feel sad” when he would preach that homosexuality is a sin.  Now his son, who is still openly living a life of sin, is the music director, and the church has an 85% homosexual congregation.

Something is clearly and utterly wrong here.  The fact that a pastor would deny parts of the Bible and distance himself and his church from God… Wow!  I am reminded of a passage that talks about this situation, 2 Peter 2:1-3:

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

With the fear of making light of the situation, I would like to provide you with a (somewhat funny somewhat scary) conversation that might have taken place between Rev. Meredith and his gay son.

Son: Dad, I have something to tell you, I’m gay.

Pastor: Seriously? Wow, that is a shocker. The bible says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Son: Please don’t say things like that dad, it hurts my feelings when you accuse me of sinning.

Pastor: Yeah, you are right, I should change my beliefs and go against God and His Word, and even lead my church astray because it is hurting your feelings son.

Son: Thanks dad, you are a pal.

Now, isn’t that crazy?  What’s crazy is that this fictional conversation can’t be that far from what actually happened.  It gets worse… do me a favor.  Think of the conversation that could arise between the pastor and his pedophile brother, or his prostitute daughter.  Where do we draw the line?

The answer is that we are already on that line… we are currently crossing that line… many pastors and bishops have already jumped over that line.

I had a conversation with my mom today telling her about Rev. Meredith, and I said, “What has our country come to?”  Her reply made me cry.  She said “It is a sad state of affairs we are in.  I remember one Bible study where the leader said that he thought what would bring the second coming was when God was literally dying of a broken heart.  What have we done to His Eden?”  Wow… just typing it now made me cry again.

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6 responses

30 09 2008
Stephanie Rapp

I can’t believe you equated homosexuality with being a pedophile or a prostitute. Plus, I thought Jesus said NOT to judge others. Did you choose to be heterosexual? Think about THAT.

1 10 2008
John Doe

Here is what I don’t understand. Why are Christians so up in arms about homosexual lifestyles, and yet we don’t talk about individuals who cheat on their taxes, cheat on their spouse, hit their children, lie, cheat, steal, watch Porn…….(I could go on).

If we are going to be up in arms about homosexuality, then, as the church, we better be up in arms about every sin that is out there. ( I am preety sure the the church, and myself for that matter have more important things to worry about then parading around all the sin in the world).

God said all sin is the same. The homosexual next door is no different than you are. Whether you like it or not, you are in the same category, a sinner. You can’t call yourself better then him. We all fall short of the glory of God. So why do you continue to belittle your homosexual neighbor, when you are no different then him? How would you feel if your brother in Christ continually announced your sin for the world to hear, and continually told you how terrible of a person you are.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for the fact that homosexuality is wrong and is not a lifestyle God promotes. However, I can’t believe, as Christians, that we continually belittle our Brothers and sisters. They are no different then us. They are no different then you. Face the facts man, you are just like a homosexual. A sinner.

1 10 2008
chadabshier

Stephanie,

I’m sorry that I upset you but I believe in the Bible. The Bible equates homosexuality with those things, it also equates it to bestiality

“Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.” [Lev. 18:22-23]

There are not many things that God calls an “abomination” or a “perversion” but homosexuality is one of them.

John Doe,

Thanks for leaving a fake name and email. Now… there is a difference between being a sinner and living a life of sin. Everyone is a sinner “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” [Rom 3:23], yes that is true. Being a sinner is a side effect of being a human. There is a difference, however, between being a sinner and choosing to sin. Jesus tells us to follow his teachings, and He tells the adulterous woman in John 8:11 to “Go now and leave your life of sin.” He does not say “Then neither do I condemn you, continue living your life of sexual sin”. He tells her to LEAVE her life of sin.

The way to Heaven is narrow and Jesus tells us “not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” [Matt. 7:21] He also tells us not to be deceived in 1 Cor. 6:9-11.

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” [1 Cor. 6:9-11]

Do not try to quote the end of passage saying that “see, Jesus takes care of all those sins”. This passage says that this “is what some of you WERE” past tense… meaning not anymore, no longer living as a prostitute, homosexual, thief, adulterer, etc. You have to stop choosing to sin to be saved. The last sentence means that “you were washed” your sins of the past are forgiven, “you were sanctified” you were made holy no longer living a sinful life, “you were justified in the name of Lord Jesus Christ” the sinful nature of being a human is accounted for. This DOES NOT work if you continue to live a life of sin!

2 10 2008
John Doe

You didn’t respond to either of my comments, and you just made my point even stronger. I never quoted scripture. I am just speaking as a Christian, looking at how I treat other people.

I made two points:

1.) If you are going to attack Homosexuals as this horrible sin, then why don’t you go attack all the people who cheat on their taxes, lie, cheat, steal, and so on. Why is homosexuality such a big thing that it deserves a prominent place in the open. No sin is greater than the other, why are you treating homosexuality as the scum of the earth. It isn’t any worse.

2.) You are no different than the homosexuals. A sinner. You choose to sin just as much as a homosexual does. You just make different choices. Of course God says go and sin no more. I never said it was okay to continue to be a homosexual. But you, just like homosexuals, continue to choose to sin. You are in the same mode. Flawed, human, imperfect, a sinner. As much as you want to fight it, you are just like a homosexual, in the sense that you continue to sin.

I am not quoting any scripture, or bring any biblical words into this. All I am saying is that as a Christian, I find it hard to swallow that you put homosexuality up on a pedistal as a terrible sin, and judge them because of it. As christians, we shouldn’t be singling anyone out. We are all in the same boat, sinners who accept the amazing grace of God, by which we are saved. That is the bottom line.

2 10 2008
chadabshier

From your reply it is clear that you didn’t even read my response. There is a difference between being a sinner and choosing to sin. I’m not saying that I am any better, I struggle with sin just like every other person here on Earth. The difference, however, between any mere person and a Christian (a follower of Christ), is that the latter applies God’s Word to their lives and tries to eliminate sin from his life. With the sin that I can see or know that I am doing, I choose not to. On the other hand, living a life of sexual immorality is CHOOSING to sin.

Yes, all sin is bad, the reason I am addressing homosexuality is because it is currently making a very great push to become acceptable, and that is just the point, no sin should be acceptable. If you have ever been to a church, then you should know that pastors preach all year long on how people should improve their lives… aiming their messages towards adultery, greed, pre-marital sexual relations, etc. Why is it suddenly a bad thing to talk about sin when the sin is homosexuality?

2 10 2008
chadabshier

And by the way… if I were watching porn, if I were sleeping around, if I were stealing, if I were openly choosing to sin, then YES, I would want by brothers and sisters in Christ to explain to me (using the Bible and referencing scripture) that I should stop doing those things. What good is having a brother or sister in Christ if they don’t help you to obey God.

To love God is to obey God.

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